Question: Ask the Nuwaupians, Are the Dogon Stories True as Malachi York Told Them?
Answer: They'll refer to you as a Black Devil for even asking the question.
The Dogons
"my son, I am going to tell you a secret that very few know; most of the medicines we witch doctors use are nothing but water into which a few boiled green herbs have been added, and the only reason we give this foul-tasting mixture to a sick one to drink is to arouse in the sick one's brain the will to be healthy. This is why we encourage the STUPID rabble to use charms, which are nothing but external stimuli intended to encourage the thick brains of the porridge-eating peasant to function and protect the FOOL to whom those brains belong. My son, listen very well, it is NOT God who ultimately grants you your wishes and who hears your prayers; NEITHER is it the ENAS [spirit doubles] of your ancestors. It is your own mind, your soul through your mind, that brings your dearest wish to you."
-Credo Vusamazulu Mutwa: Indaba My Children-African Folktales pg. 614
The above quotes from South African Shaman Credo Mutwa, are important and relative to this topic as you read on. Since the writings of Griaule & Dieterlen, there has been a large volume of historical and cultural narratives written on the Dogon tribe of Mali, Africa. Their entrenched links to the cosmos, shows evidence of the importance of cosmology in daily life as demonstrated by way of Masks, Sculptures, Rituals, Ceremonies as well as various cultural objects.
In the fictitious bible called the Holy Tablets written by cult leader of the Nuwaupians Malachi York, he offers his views in a small section of that book regarding the Dogons of Mali, and teaches that these Dogons acquired knowledge of the stars; that they even had star maps, taught to them by a special breed of "reptilian extraterrestrials" who fled Sirius B after Nibiru had it's energy drained, causing it to collapse. Then these Reptilians chased or followed Nibiru, eventually making their way to Mali, West Africa, hiding in the nearby river, to eventually teach these Africans about Sirius B and a hypothetical Sirius C, then ultimately having sex with tribal girls, giving birth to bi-specie children, only to vanish, never to be heard nor seen again. After reading the summary of York's fantasy narrative, it is imperative that the following quote be applied.
" extraordinary claims requier extraordinary evidence. "
-Carl Sagan
The above comments from York are void of any evidence, yet he demands evidence from others.
They make statements about events and time, but they don't produce the evidence, or the document to support what they say, which leaves the reader in the same state they are in religion, to believe, but not have facts"
-Malachi York: Let's Set the Records Straight pg. 239
Anyway, let's move on. York gives us these oddities!
"...these travelers from beyond the stars, that came and bred with the Dogons were the Reptilians...from Sirius B..."
"...the planet sized ship called Procyon, a binary star in the constellation Canis Minor, which is the Greek name for Nibiru..."
"...they took residence on Earth, in a country now called Mali, which is where the Dogons lived..."
"...the Nommo who came to Earth in a space ship..."
There is no substantive evidence, standard nor extraordinary of Reptiles piloting space ships; traveling from Sirius B to Mali, West Africa. There are no oral traditions of reptiles i.e. Crocodiles, Iguanas, or Komoto Dragons and the like, driving interplanetary vehicles though space. Statements such as this, can only be construed as deception, prevarication, or in the layman's, LIES.
The Akkadian word Nibiru is not in anyway connected to the word Procyon. Procyon is considered to be the brightest star in the constellation of Canis minor, the Mesopotamians regarded Nibiru as nothing more than a planet, in fact, Nibiru as a planet that crosses, it was identified and charted then given terms for its position in the sky.It was Sulpae, SAG.ME.GAR, and Nibiru, corresponding to the different appearances of the planet with respect to the horizon.
ππ πΊ π Šul-pa-e being its name when Jupiter rises:
π π¨ π» SAG.ME.GAR when it has risen:
ππ π π NΔberu (Nibiru): when on or near the meridian, and when it reaches meridian status, it represents the marker and the central point, the height of the crossing point.
Never in human history has it been documented that Nibiru drained Sirius B causing it to collapse. If these super advanced reptiles could fly interplanetary vehicles, then it would be a simple task to provide evidence of their space ships and/or crossbred children. And if these are amphibian Reptiles that needs to live in an aquatic environment, what was their ship, craft or interplanetary vessel made of which propelled them through space? These sorts of logical questions a skeptic may ask, weren't anticipated by York and certainly not by his Nuwaupians.
Basic questions such as, what ever happened to the ships the Nommo reptiles traveled in, were they captured, destroyed, or housed in a Dogon village/museum? a simple question like that, was never imagined during the time York was roaming free.
Below is another piece of Pseudoism taught by York, it's another illustration from York's so-called Holy Tablets page 343 of "Haaton", the leader of the reptilians who (according to York) taught the Dogon people.
Just look at this stupidity! Certainly you can dismiss York's comments about Haaton as nothing more than lies to hook his followers into purchasing more of his nonsensical books. But where did Malachi York get these bizarre stories about the Dogon? He based much of it from another writer who pushed Pseudoism, and that man was Robert Temple, author of The Sirius Mystery which were based on his views and distortions of the works of Griaule & Dieterlen.
Using Temple's book; York has his followers believing that reptiles, along with a reptile leader "Haaton", traveled from Sirius B after "Nibiru" and caused their sun to collapsed, something undocumented, unsupported and uncorroborated by any ancient manuscripts or oral traditions.
So according to York, Sirius B, having 2 planets, The Greys called "Naarians" on one planet and Nummos (Nommos) Reptilians on the other, splashed down on Earth taking residence in Mali, West Africa, yet this is not supported other than through word of mouth or alleged. These Pseudo-scientific teachings of York were embraced and is currently being taught by various denominations and sects of leftover believers of York's words. York added a new twist to an already twisted tale of Dogon culture by Temple's reinterpretation of the two French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen.
In addition to adding his spin on Temple's beliefs, York was also inserting Zecharia Sitchin's science fiction tale of the Nephilm traveling on Nibiru. York even had pictures drawn up to dramatically enforce his Pseudo-scientific position of reptilian pilots who traveled from other constellations to Earth.
Above is a drawing of Nommo, according to Robert Temple, which is allegedly attributed to the Dogons, which York also places in his book the so-called Holy Tablets, page 359. Much of the claims in York's book, are taken from Temple's book, and on occasion word for word (plagiarism).
Example:
Temple - The Sirius Mystery 1976:
'The ark landed on the Fox's dry land and displaced a pile of dusty raise by the world-wind it caused.' For this see Figure 33. They continue: 'The violence of the impact roughened the ground... it skidded on the ground.'
York - The Holy Tablets 1998:
"The ark landed on the Fox's dry land and displaced a pile of dusty raised by the world-wind it caused. The violence of the impact roughened the ground it skidded on the ground."
It's important to note, the Dogon DON'T have a written language they continue to pass down their history to select members of the tribe by word of mouth. The doctrine of York regarding the Dogons is very difficult accept. He offers no evidence to support what he says on this issue, yet he requires evidence from others;
" They make statements about events and time, but they don't produce the evidence, or the document to support what they say, which leaves the reader in the same state they are in religion, to believe, but not have facts. "
-Malachi York: Let's Set the Records Straight pg. 239
The illustrations, and names of perspective reptilians look at the drastically difference in appearance, for example, the picture of the "Nommos" according to York, and the Nommos alleged to be from the Dogon, take a look below.
Visual discrepancies such as the above are found throughout York's publications. York even has the nerve to have family members depicted of the Nommos; looking like a big-lip alligator cartoon with bad acne! If you look close, you can see the inspiration for York's cartoon reptilians, one being "Amma", which visually is a corruption of the space reptile and villain "Gorn" from the 1960's Star Trek television series, in an episode called, "Arena".
York took and added an even more ridiculous premise from the Pseudo teachings of Robert Temple, making claims that not even Temple would venture into. Case and point, the rhetoric of reptiles coming onto land and raping little Dogon girls, even adding an illustration, claiming that it's an actual depiction of sex with reptiles.
"They also came onto land during the shadow hours to teach and mix the Dogons. They would kidnap the virgins and rape them to implant their seed. It became a ritual to offer virgins in order to prevent the bloodshed. A negotiator was elected called a Hogon. Every 60 years they would seek these virgins. This, in turn, led to female child sacrificial rituals; To these serpent people, becoming willing blood sacrifices to what became known as Ha-Satan, the head of the Reptilian tribes, also called Shaytaan, became a common practice and like an honor and a way to appease these malevolent beings. The Dogons in Mali West Africa speak and teach what they have been taught by these two tribes of Extraterrestrials to this day."
-Malachi York: The Holy Tablets pg. 91
The stupidity of claims such as the above from York and others, is why you must exercise critical thinking when it comes to anything York says or writes. The image above from York's book, appears to under value, underestimate or marginalize African people, by claiming that reptiles, were teachers, intellectuals, instructing African people, and having sex with them, it's disgusting, more on this marginalization later in this article.
The mythology that was taught about the Dogons was long before York, the Dogons are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in Western Africa. According to Robert Temple, (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had contact with some ugly, amphibious Extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some five thousand years ago. These Aliens came here for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting Sirius some 8.6 light years from earth. The alleged visitors from outer space, seems to have done little else than give the Earthlings (Dogon) some useless astronomical information according to only one blind Elder.
One of Temple's main pieces of evidence is the tribe's alleged knowledge of Sirius B, the companion to the star Sirius A. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes 50 years. Temple cites a sand picture made by the Dogon to explain their beliefs. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is NOT the complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original sources for Temple's story. Temple has either misinterpreted Dogon beliefs, or distorted Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fraudulent story.
Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called Sigui, held by the Dogon every 60 years. According to Griaule and Dieterlen, the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational characteristics. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no claims about the antiquity of this information or of a connection with ancient Egypt,which Temple added.
The existence of Sirius B had only been inferred to exist through mathematical calculation undertaken by Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel in 1844 and seen by way of telescopes in on January 31, 1862 by Telescope maker and astronomer Alvan Graham Clark who first observed it. This is worth repeating and should be emphasized, that long before Griaule, Dieterlen and Temple made their claims regarding the Dogon and Sirius B/A, Alvan Graham Clark was able to actually see Sirius's partner with a new 18.5 inch (470 mm) refracting telescope he had built. Sirius B, as it was them dubbed, or "the Pup", was about a thousand times fainter than Sirius A. It was the white dwarf to be identified and still the nearest one known. This discovery proved the earlier hypothesis of Friedrich Bessel to be true that Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, had an unseen companion disturbing its motion. Clark's telescope is housed at the Dearborn Observatory of Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, where it's still being used today. This was groundbreaking news back then and well documented.
Above is Alvan Graham Clark and his assistant Carl Lundin in 1896
Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that seem curious. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. They seem to have knowledge of the satellites of Jupiter and rings of Saturn, among other things.
"Where did they get this knowledge" Temple asked "if not from extraterrestrial visitors? They don’t have telescopes or other scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge?"
Temple's answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer space, which York promoted, this is an example of the marginalization of African people. The claim that the Dogon got their knowledge from Ancient Egyptians, as York claimed from reading Temples' work, they specifically acquired information from the "Egyptians" (no dynastic family is ever given) this too was promoted by York, with a twist; he says that they were of the Egyptians (again, no dynastic family name, nor verifiable documentation.
"...the Dogons were the descendants from the Egyptians..."
-Malachi York The Holy Tablets pg. 342
The Dogons and the Ancient Egyptians
This is a question that is not as complex as it would appear. Robert Temple needed to explain how an obscure and self isolated Malian tribe, might have gained such an unexpected insight into the make-up of the Sirius star system. He did this by proposing a link between the Dogon and Egyptians where as Sirius played an important symbolic role, it's rising at dawn announcing the onset of the Nile flood just as the sighting of Sirius brought about the 60 year Sigui ceremony.
According to Temple, the Dogon were guardians of the oracle of Amun-Ra but had to find a way to explain Nommo by turning to the Babylonians and stories of Dagon, a manlike fish deity. Although the Dogon (who are older than the dynastic Egyptians) live in an area more that two thousand miles from Egypt, they did NOT descend FROM the ancient Remetch (Egyptians) as claimed by Temple and parroted by York. It was Temple who argued that the Dogon's information, if traced, goes back to the ancient Egyptians such as extraterrestrial knowledge of the stars. But neither Griaule nor Dieterlen has never made the claim that the Dogon learned from the Egyptians, so It becomes problematic, and something of a contradiction to suggest in one thought that the Dogon were taught knowledge about Sirius B by the Nommo versus they knew of Sirius B by way of their ancestors the ancient Egyptians.
The ancestors of the Dogon came from the Mande people from an area in southwest Mali and northeast Guinea that was home to the thirteenth-century Mali empire. The Mande descended from ancient central Saharan peoples i.e. people of Benin, Burkina Faso, Gambia, Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Liberia, Niger, Sierra Leone. The Dogon migrated after the empire's collapse to the cliffs of the Bandiagara plateau. The Dogon people of Mali are known to carry the Haplogroup E-M132, at 45.5%, making it one of the more common Y-DNA haplogroups in that population. The E-M132 has also been found in samples from those in Burkina Faso, Senegal, Ghana and Ancient Egypt of which Egypt only makes up approximately 1.4%. Haplogroup E-P1 also appears with nearly as much frequency at 43.6% according to The Journal of Human Genetics 13(7): 867-876.
The above information is important to know because York (following behind) Robert Temple, asserts that the Dogon are descendants of the ancient Egyptians. No specific group of Egyptians, but the blanket commentary of all the Egyptians, an implication that they came AFTER the Egyptians of a dynastic period. Here are the facts, the Dogons are related to Egyptians, but NOT directly, just as many African-Americans may share a Paternal Haplogroup with Ramses III, meaning, one may descend from a long line of men that can be traced back to eastern Africa over 275,000 years ago. For example, as our ancestors ventured out of the interiors of Africa, they branched off in diverse groups that crossed and recrossed the globe over tens of thousands of years. Some of their migrations can be traced through haplogroups, families of lineages that descend from common ancestors. So your paternal haplogroup can reveal the path followed by the men of that paternal line.
Ramses III's paternal lineage belonged to haplogroup E-V38, from which many African-Americans are connected to, in other words, they share an ancient paternal-line ancestor who lived in north or western Africa through the "E" marker. The Dogon branch by whichever nomenclature that's used is older. They have a common lineage that split almost three thousand years ago. The commonality of governmental structure and method of doing, the Egyptians were farmers, they were a settlement people who dealt with agriculture, farming etc., so this would not necessarily mean nor include dynastic Egyptians of Pharohonic Egypt. The Dogon practiced a set of traditional beliefs that illustrate the power of the relationship between Africans and their environment much like the ancient people of Kemet (Egypt).
The the claims of a reptile specie coming from space is NOT a shared view of the ancient people of Kemet (Egypt) nor the Dogon, and that point can not be stressed enough. Simply put, the Dogon would have predated the ancient Egyptians or Nile Valley civilizations being they were in the Sahara thousands of years prior to any migrations via the Sahel to the north and east, so they have it backwards. It's worth noting that, with the writings of Marcel Griaule in the 1930's, it attracted worldwide attention to the Dogon. Griaule's writings sparked not only a tourist boom in Dogon country, but a large following of UFO fanatics intrigued by claims of Dogon beliefs that their ancestors were visited by extraterrestrials from Sirius, which as you can imagine to some degree that Griaule's misinformation has a benefited economically for the Dogon society and their businesses in onion exports.
A Terrestrial Source?
Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological civilization. Sagan suggests, however, that it was a terrestrial civilization. Perhaps the source was Temple himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who based his account on an interview with one person, a blind Dogon elder named, Ogotemmeli and an interpreter. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from technological societies located on planet Earth. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon cosmology. Furthermore, there had been a good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the 1920's, so that by the time Griaule arrived in Mali, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts of earth and transmitted it in conversation.
Ogotemmeli
Marcel Griaule, studied the Dogon from 1930's to the late 1950's. He spent fifteen years studying other groups as well, such as, the Bambara, Bago, and the Kurambo people of West, Africa. He was the first to conduct an in depth study that explored their cosmological belief system in his published works known as "Dieu d'Eau: entretien avec Ogotommeli", and "Le Renard Pale" (The Pale Fox and A Conversations with Ogotemmeli), both published after Griaule's death however.
Griaule was not the first European to conduct fact finding missions to the Dogon, there were others, for example, the first was Robert Arnaud who focused his research on the social and political aspects of Dogon life and their relationships with nearby tribal groups in 1920. He placed a minimal level of importance on Dogon spirituality, and concluded that "Behind their rituals, there is no esoteric teaching, no metaphysical explanation for the nature of the world, or that of the soul". Refer to his publication, Le Roman Vrai De Tabi journal d'une expedition en pays Dogon (18 septembre - 26 decembre 1920) also known as,The True Novel of Tebi: Diary of an Expedition to Dogon Country (September 18 - December 26, 1920).
Below is an image of the earliest known of mask outing in Sangha.
Photo is preserved by the children of Robert Arnaud.
Once again, knowledge of the star Sirius can be traced back as far as 1698. In a book by Dutch astronomer Christiaan Huygens. Sirius was already known and its distance measured, this is documented in the book Cosmotheoros by Christiaan Huygens. There's more examples and citations of astronomer's knowledge of Sirius B. Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of the Dogon. He made no secret of the fact that his intention was to redeem African thought. A team led by a Belgian anthropologist Walter Van Beek , spent eleven years with the Dogon, and he concluded that there was NO trace of a tradition around Sirius Dogon cosmogony as described by Marcel Griaule and Robert Temple.
"Though they do speak about Sigu Tolo [what Griaule claimed was Sirius] they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the Sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as Sigu Tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule."
-Walter E. A. van Beek: Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Griaule in Current Anthropology, 32 (1991): 139-167
On a schedule determined by the position of the star Sirius in the night sky - Dogon people celebrated the Sigui every sixty years. It's a mask festival in part, which acknowledges the handing over of secrets from one generation to the next. The last Sigui ran from 1967 to 1973, with the next due to begin in 2032. Van Beek's most devastating evidence against Griaule, is his lack of corroboration.
"The Dogon know of no proper creation myths; neither the versions of Ogotemmeli, nor that of Le Renard pale."
"Knowledge of the stars is not important either in daily life or in ritual..."
"No Dogon outside of Griaule's informants had ever heard of sigu tolo or po tolo, nor had any Dogon even heard of eme ya tolo [according to Griaule, Dogon names for Sirius and its star companions]. Most important, no one, even within the circle of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a double star or even a tripple star with B and C orbiting..."
This is all explained in greater detail in the works of Van Beek below.
To read the entire paper above, just click on the link below.
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There have been others to critique the baseless claims of Grualie and Temple (and by default York), who have arrived at similar or harmonious conclusions. For example, Ian Ridpath wrote in his publication, The Skeptical Inquirer Magazine Investigating the Sirius "Mystery", Volume 3 #1, Fall 1978,
"There are any number of channels by which the Dogon could have received Western knowledge long before they were visited by Griaule and Dieterlen." he also adds, "Is there any astronomical evidence that Sirius has more than one companion star? Some astronomers in the 1920's and 1930's thought they had glimpsed a third member of the Sirius system, but new and more accurate observations reported in 1973 by Irving W. Lindenblad of the U.S. Naval Observatory, Washington, D.C., showed NO evidence of a close companion to either Sirius A or Sirius B." In his book "Sirius Matters", Noah Brosch indicates that the Dogon may have had contact with astronomers based in Dogon territory during a five week expedition, led by Henri-Alexandre Deslandres, to study the solar eclipse of April 16, 1893.
Robert Todd Carroll (contributing writer for Skeptic's Dictionary, also states that a more likely source of the knowledge of the Sirius star system is from contemporary, terrestrial sources who provided information to interested members of the tribes. James Oberg, an American space journalist and historian, regarded as an expert on the Russian and Chinese space programs, indicated that, "The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Sirius Mystery skeptic Ortiz de Montellano, writes the following commentaries regarding the Dogon.
"Knowledge of the stars is not important either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. The position of the sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. No Dogon outside of the circle of Griaule's informants had ever heard of sigu tolo or po tolo... Most important, no one, even within the circle of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a double star..."
-The Dogons Revisited: by Ortiz de Montellano.
The sole proof offered by proponents of this Dogon theory, is found in the following statements given by Griaule without attribution or citation.
"A wooden mask called the kanaga, used by the Dogon to celebrate the Sirius-related Sigui ceremony, is among the archaeological finds that indicates their preoccupation with this star for at least 700 years."
-Griaule and Dieterlen 1950: Temple 1976: pg. 37-38
"The dating of the Sigui ceremony involves a different set of enormous wooden masks that are not worn but kept in protected shelters. These masks were not dated with Carbon 14, and their true age is not known. Griaule extrapolated the age of the masks by counting the number of masks in shelters and multiplying by 60 years per mask because a new mask was made for each 60-year Sigui ceremony. Most shelters had 3 or 4 masks taking the ceremony back to A.D. 1720-1760"
-Griaule 1938: 242-244; Temple 1976: 38.
Now what's interesting and something of an inconsistency, is that the Dogon are supposed to know that Sirius B orbits every 50 years, yet the Sigui ceremony referred to, is a ceremony of the renovation of the world, and it's celebrated not every 50 years, but every 60 years. That seems a bit odd and off, with no explanations as to why 10 years later. This very shaky hypothetical extrapolation is the sole evidence dating the Sigui ceremony to A.D. 1300, and tells us nothing concerning knowledge of Sirius B, the invisible dwarf star. York named the title of a chapter in his book, "The Dogon and Sirius Mystery" but the only mystery here is how anyone could take seriously the notions of amphibious space aliens with telescopic vision due to high amounts of melanin.
In the book Haunting Griaule: Experiences from the Restudy of the Dogon by Van Beek, he gives the following from his 11 year interactions with the Dogon people.
"Finally, I tried out some of the story themes in the Ogotemmelli and Renard pale renderings-the restudy angle. The main result was clear: there were no Dogon creation stories, at least not in the Griaulian sense. The myths in the ritual language, belonging to the corpus of masks and death rituals were clearly important, and also well rendered in Griaule's earlier writings and in those of some of his collaborators. They were very recognizable, and all centered around migration themes: the coming from Mande, the arrival of the masks, the story of the sigi ritual etc. No 'creatio ab nihilo,' no coherent cosmology, and most certainly no Sirius. Yes, Sirius they knew as dana tolo, the hunter's star (just in line with Orion's girdle) but no double star, no link with sigi, and no sigi tolo (star of the sigi) at all. As for the Sangha renderings of creation myths, the reaction of the elders was: 'Were they present when Ama made the world, that they know and we should not know? This is not tem at all.'"
Haunting Griaule: Experiences from the Restudy of the Dogon. History in Africa by Van Beek page 56
The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors. But what can we make of the Dogon statement that Sirius B is the smallest and heaviest star, consisting of a heavy metal known as sagala? Sirius B was certainly the smallest and heaviest star known in the 1920s, when the super-dense nature of white dwarfs was becoming understood; the material of which white dwarfs are made is indeed compressed more densely than metal. Now, though, hundreds of white dwarfs are known, not to mention neutron stars, which are far smaller and denser. Any interplanetary visiting reptile/spaceman would certainly have known about these, as well as black holes.
Above is the Dogon sand drawing of the complete Sirius system (according to the blind elder Ogotemmeli). A, Sirius. B, Po Tolo, the object equated with Sirius B, shown in two positions. C, is Emme Ya, the sun of women, equated with Sirius C. D, is the Nommo; E, the Yourougou, a mythical male figure destined to pursue his female twin. F, the star of women, a satellite of Emme Ya. G, the sign of women; H, the sex of women, represented by a womb shape. The whole system is enclosed in an oval, representing the egg of the world.
If Robert Temple (and York who followed Temple) really believe that the Dogon had been visited by reptile-men from Sirius, certainly he would have been able to cite the source specifically saying so. But he doesn't! Nowhere in his 290-page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim. The best he does is on page 217, where he reports that the Dogon say: "Po tolo [Sirius B] and Sirius were once where the Sun now is." Of this ambiguous statement, Temple comments: "That seems as good a way as any to describe coming to our solar system from the Sirius system, and leaving those stars for our star, the Sun." His words cannot conceal the fact that the whole Sirius "mystery" is based on Robert Temple's own unwarranted assumptions.
Repudiate:
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Let's bring a sense of reality to the hypothesis' of Griaule, Dieterlen and Temple then York who parroted them. The work of van Beek makes it clear that Dieterlen and Griaule were either mistaken or making things up to further a misrepresent the narrative of Dogon cosmological belief. One of the reasons that Sirius fits so prominently in various myths of some societies, is because it's the brightest of fixed stars (not to be mistaken for planets). It was Dieterlen and Griaule who believed that Sigu Tolo was Sirius.
It's not true that the Dogon (no evidence) found a companion star to Sirius. Dieterlen and Griaule based their entire reconstruction of Dogon cosmology on the words of one man Ogotemmeli. That is an unacceptable practice in anthropology or any field of study. The fact that later anthropologists were UNABLE to find a single person within the Dogon society who knew about a companion star of Sirius, which is a vivid demonstration that it doesn't form a genuine part of Dogon cosmology.
The Sirius Mystery is deeply flawed and the evidence to correct it was published seven years before the revised edition was produced. Failure to correct the lies by Temple himself is typical of Pseudo-science, and evident that Temple was not looking for truth; rather, he was more concerned with selling books, fame and promoting a false mystery.
The problem is that Dieterlen and Griaule claimed to have discovered a traditional knowledge of the sort that is repeated down through generations. With that being the case, anthropologist returning to Mali after forty years would not necessarily hear the same things as their early colleagues. However, the importance that Dieterlen and Griaule attached to the beliefs surrounding Sigu tolo makes it clear that it was the core element of the Dogon belief system. It is very unlikely that something so central to peoples' cosmological understanding, would have changed in forty years. In terms of tradition, forty years is not a long time.
Ask yourself, why would the Dogon change their identification of Sigu tolo with Sirius to another astrological body that sounds more like Venus. It's isn't logical that no one since Dieterlen and Griaule have been able to find any Dogon mythology concerning Sirius. The Dogon do not identify it with Sirius, notice this, you see NO symbolism nor anything literal in their ceremonies of the Sigi depicting a reptile in conjunction with Sigu Tolo [what Griaule claimed was Sirius]. So ask yourself, were the Dogon visited by spiritual beings or ancient reptilian astronauts? Or did the anthropologists who first studied them, carry out an elaborate deception by giving them astronomical insight to regurgitate in front of a camera? The evidence would indicate to the latter.
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The Pale Fox: by Marcel Griaule
